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So tell me again...? by White-Rain-Angel So tell me again...? by White-Rain-Angel
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I started this a couple months ago but didn't have time to work on it and in the meantime I've changed my mind about what I want to do with this, so I thought I'd post it as it is now before Jack gets different clothes and Rapunzel starts looking younger.

*sigh* :movingon: anyway... this is my contribution to the Rise of the Brave Tangled Dragons fandom. I don't ship them as anything more than a brother/sister kind of thing (for various reasons that I'm too tired to talk about) And, like I said, I'm already working on altering this (I've got this short comic-y thing. who knows if it will ever get done because of homework :bleh: ) It'll be really cute though...?

sorry I'm rambling... I may edit the artist comments later when I'm not so tired edited the comments finally

enjoy <3

I love them so much
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Blooming-Snowflake Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2015  Student Writer
Curious question: why do you not ship Jackunzel when you ship Mericcup? I just saw in a comment below that you ship crossover shippings as platonic relationships rather than love. You know, it made me wonder how come you then ship Mericcup. I also just want to know these reasons of yours for why you don't ship Jack and Rapunzel. 
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White-Rain-Angel Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2015  Student
I think you're referring to the comment that said, "I like the idea of crossovers that are platonic ships (not just love-ships)," right? I agreed with them in the sense that I like platonic ships as well as love ships, but I think the tendency is for most people to ship characters romantically, and so potential platonic relationships often get overlooked.

Personally though, I think I tend to prefer platonic ships both in-universe and in crossovers, especially if a character has a canon relationship with another character. For Instance, at the end of tangled they say that Eugene and Rapunzel get married (we even get to see the wedding in Tangled Ever After).   Whereas, at the end of the first Httyd, Hiccup and Astrid kiss, but it's not implied they get married, they're both only 14 or so, and she was much too prone to hit him (which made me disinclined to view their relationship in a positive way). 
However, when Httyd 2 came out, Astrid and Hiccup are still in a relationship, at an older age, and she hits him far less (if at all) plus there is a mention about her being Stoick's future daughter-in-law. If you haven't noticed... I haven't posted any Mericcup art since the 2nd movie came out. ^^;        
This is kind of a long answer, but basically it comes down to: If one of the characters are in a stable healthy relationship where it's either implied or outright shown or stated that they are or are going to be married, and there isn't a previous canon implying otherwise (such as is the case for some comic book movies) I won't ship them with someone else.     idk I guess I just don't like to go against canon 

I hope this makes sense.
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Blooming-Snowflake Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2015  Student Writer
Oh, it makes sense. Like, very much sense. I just hope you then won't jump onto the train and ship a single character with another single character just becuase neither has a canon love interest. You know, I've often seen this be a reason amongst Jelsa fans, that Jack and Elsa are both singles so it makes sense for them to be together since they both have oh so much in common. (Sarcasm, if you didn't notice.) I really hope people won't ship characters just because they don't have a partner (which is funny, becuase Jesla fans claim that Jack is single, which he's not as Tooth is Jack's canon love interest, even though they don't openly declare their "love" in RotG, but it is stated by DreamWorks that if they made a sequel to RotG (which is still something I really hope for), Tooth and Jack would have a relationship, even going as far as they said they would kiss.)

Rant over. I get your point. Thanks for telling me. :)
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White-Rain-Angel Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2015  Student
lol it's funny that you mention Jelsa because I was going to mention JackxMerida in my last reply for kind of the same reason, but it was getting too long... yeah, it feels weird to me to ship two characters who both generally don't appear to want a relationship, because, well for one who's going to be doing the flirting if neither of them are interested.  I must say, I do really like the idea of Jack and Elsa interacting platonically though.  
And as far as Jack and Tooth goes, if anything I'd ship them together since they've both been a bit flirty with each other. But even then I think I'd prefer them to remain more as friends with slight crushes? Rather than them ever being in a full on relationship.... even if rainbow snowcone is super cute.

I really wish they'd do a sequel or tv show. ^^
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Blooming-Snowflake Featured By Owner Jul 7, 2015  Student Writer
Nah. Jarida never came up with this claim, that since they're both singles they just so much belong to each other. No, they've done that. Jelsa fans do it all the time. Like so: "Well, Rapunzel has Eugene, Anna has Kristoff and Hiccup has Astrid. What about Jack Frost? Oh yeah, he has Elsa! They are so much canon, becuase oh gosh, they look so much alike, and they have both ice powers and they're both singles!" - yeah, I know, I'm basically making fun of these shippers, but that's seriously how the majority of the Jelsa fans think. Well, what the fan brats think like, anyways, and the fan brats fills the majority of the Jelsa fan base. 
But I agree with you; Jack and Elsa could have a cute relationship but only with barriers, like, platonic. I could actually see it work out with them - a little bit - if it wasn't becuase of Elsa being so mature and regal as she is, and Jack being all fun-loving, cheerful and carefree all the time. He loves his freedom and while he could definitely bring the mood up for Elsa and make her believe she isn't such a monster as she think she is, I mean, they could have a short, cute, real relationship, but honestly, I would see it as Jack wanting it and not so much Elsa. As with Rainbow Snowcone - which I whole hearted agree with you is super cute - I think Jack and Elsa would be great friends with a one-sided love going on. Besides, I only agree with this couple within Modern AU where both of them are humans. 

Me too. I'm still hoping for it, as William Joyce is going to release his newest book regarding his GoC (Guardians of Childhood) series here to fall; Jack Frost aka, Nightlight. :)
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White-Rain-Angel Featured By Owner Jul 8, 2015  Student
lol
Oh yeah, the idea of the mortal dying (whichever character it is) and Jack staying alive forever being all sad because the one he loved died is just too much for me. I don't want to think of him being forever alone in that sense. ha though I know some people just love angst.

Augh I can't wait till the book comes out, it seems like we've been waiting forever.  XD
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Blooming-Snowflake Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2015  Student Writer
Well, I love angst, but the thing with his mortal partner dying then is reincarnated as a spirit to be with Jack is just used so much, it's horrible. In some cases, it's good, like the Hijack/Frostcup fan fiction, I'll See It when I Believe It by OldBeginningNewEnding - that story is amazing. But still, mortal partner dying then becomes immortal is just so much used. One story I know that is very popular, but which I whole heartily dislike because of its cheesiness, is the Jelsa fan fiction called "Frostbitten". First of all, it's unrealistic for Elsa to see Jack at the age of 24. Second, she wouldn't even dare thinking of marrying a guy who's only 17. Third, Frostbitten has broken RotG's canon gruesomely by letting an entire KINGDOM being able to see Jack, which just makes me want to scream, because no one is supposed to see him bofere the 21st century! Fourth, it's even more unrealistic and so OOC for them to have CHILDREN, and then fifth, Elsa at the age of I-don't-know-but-too-much then is reincarnated to be with Jack forever just makes me want to puke. Sorry, but that story is not good, regardless of how many has faved and followed it. 

Sorry, rant over. Hopefully. 

I have preordered it over iBooks. Lol, heh, I should, however, read the four other books first though. I'm only half-way through the first book with North. ^^;

Also, I meant to say that while I like Rainbow Snowcone, I only support if they are both humans. Being both Guardians, then I think Tooth is too mature - I mean, she is literally a mother to all those Mini Fairies - and she also acts older, at times. Now, it's easy - very easy - to picture Tooth as a teenager if she was human, because of her bubbly personality and because she would then have just as much experience as Jack has, which isn't much. But Guardian wise, no, then I don't support FrostFairy, only human wise. :)

And with Jelsa, I could say the same, in a way. I do not support Jack with anyone before he becomes a Guardian, except if said person is Hiccup or Rapunzel, maybe Merida too, because they actually have the belief and mentality to see Jack Frost. Hiccup because he lives in Viking era and they believed in anything, plus, Jack Frost has his origins in Norse mythology where Jack Frost was known as Jokul Frosti; and Rapunzel is able to see him because she is too naive to not believe in Jack. Merida do have potential to see him when she's just a child, since she whole heartily believes in magic, but specifically Jack Frost, I don't know. Anna also should be able to spot Jack Frost because she's always been naive like Rapunzel - though not to the same degree - so there is a chance for her to see him, too. Now, Elsa, on the other hand, is too regal, too mature, too scared to believe in miracles and myths. She only believes what she can see and lost all other kinds of belief the moment she nearly killed her sister. Hence why I do not agree with pairing Jack Frost with Queen Elsa; I only think they could be together in AU, like Hunger Games, Hogwarts or Modern AU, but even there I'm very skeptical and only see them having a platonic relationship, or a brother/sister kind of friendship, if not actually being brothers and sisters.

Ooookay, I should shut up now. ^^;
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White-Rain-Angel Featured By Owner Jul 9, 2015  Student
Ahh

Oh, I'm kind of the opposite - the more you need to change canon the less likely I am to ship it, but I do agree Tooth does seem a bit too mature for an actual romantic relationship with Jack. And really they'd both be so busy doing Guardian work.

But while I don't ship Jelsa, I actually think she would be able to see him? Even as an adult. Like, she has magic powers, she's seen trolls, it wouldn't be too far of a leap to also include Jack Frost as a possible being she'd believe in, especially since people in Denmark/Norway and those areas that Arendelle is supposed to be based on are far more likely to know who Jack Frost/Father Frost etc. is (at least more likely than people from America). And since, I'd imagine, Elsa probably read a lot as a child, I could see her coming across a book that mentions some sort of version of Jack Frost, and latching on to that for comfort?    ...idk    oh, but I just realized you're from Denmark aren't you? You'd probably know a little more about it than I would ^^; 
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CrystalizedFlowers Featured By Owner Mar 18, 2015  Student Traditional Artist
this is so pretty,.


I also love the fact that you used the concept art of Rapunzel's dress!!!!!!!!!!!
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White-Rain-Angel Featured By Owner Mar 19, 2015  Student
Thanks! 
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CrystalizedFlowers Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2015  Student Traditional Artist
You're welcome!
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saphieraA113 Featured By Owner Dec 12, 2014  Student General Artist
same here, like BEST FRIENDS FOR EVER!!!!
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Garlandgal1 Featured By Owner Apr 20, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Mm, same here about the brother/sister thing. Gorgeous work!
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DarkNightlitMoons Featured By Owner Apr 19, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
so pretty! :D
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Mushies12 Featured By Owner Apr 6, 2014  Student General Artist
Rise of the Brave Tangled Dragons fandom? WTF XD
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Elvirith21 Featured By Owner Mar 20, 2014  Student Photographer
AMAZING. 
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DarkNightlitMoons Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Cute, and wonderful job :)
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fryma3 Featured By Owner Dec 25, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Cool
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Mitsukichan17 Featured By Owner Dec 11, 2013
nice scene >_<
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fryma3 Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2013  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I like her dress
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Kath-Leena Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2013
I like the idea of cross overs that are of platonic ships (not just love-ships)!
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White-Rain-Angel Featured By Owner Nov 18, 2013  Student
yes :D so do I
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Lovefairytail007 Featured By Owner Aug 24, 2013
This is so cute!
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DragonRider200 Featured By Owner Aug 12, 2013
Yeah I like them as a brother and sister too
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DazedDaisiesO-o Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I like them as a broTP (tho its sister/brother :XD:) too
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Kittenpiez1 Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Must be softer then lying on pillows...I wanna try!!
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Vercile Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
lol the barefooted couple. Neither one wore shoes now that i realize it.
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White-Rain-Angel Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2013  Student
yeah :D

Have you ever read the tv tropes page on the matter? [link] the second paragraph especially; it's interesting to see all the things one can hint at by simply designing a character to not wear shoes :)
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skygazer17 Featured By Owner May 13, 2013
I love this crossover
I think you might like to check this out: [link]
We're making an audio drama featuring all four characters. You should watch/listen to some of the promos! They're really cool!
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LogicinWonderland Featured By Owner May 5, 2013
This looks great! I especially love how you portrayed Rupunzel! :D I can't wait to see more!
Yeah, I don't mind Jack and Rupunzel as a couple, but I prefer them in a Brother/Sister relationship.
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White-Rain-Angel Featured By Owner May 5, 2013  Student
thanks :hug:
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purple-and-sparkley Featured By Owner May 1, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
no.. it's not terrible! it's amazing! i love them!
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Averagejoeguy2 Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2013
Jack's like Why again exactly have you never cut your hair? :rofl:
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loolee1980 Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
What are you talking about, girl?! This is awesome!!!
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White-Rain-Angel Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2013  Student
heh thank you! ^^
I was feeling a lot worse about it when I originally posted it than I do currently ^^;
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MahJeevas Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2013
Aaaaw, I like them as a couple and as brotp :3
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White-Rain-Angel Featured By Owner Apr 17, 2013  Student
hehh :D
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doggylove33 Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2013  Student Artist
no its not terrible!! don't say that its good!!
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TigerDemon12 Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
What?
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doggylove33 Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2013  Student Artist
sorry I mean it is not terrible, it is VERY good I type sooo wrong its not even funny :/
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TigerDemon12 Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Oh ok!
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doggylove33 Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2013  Student Artist
yahhh
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TigerDemon12 Featured By Owner Apr 26, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Its ok, I ma sure you will get better
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doggylove33 Featured By Owner Apr 27, 2013  Student Artist
yah
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White-Rain-Angel Featured By Owner Apr 11, 2013  Student
hehhh :hug: thanks
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iesnoth Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I LOOOOVE the color scheme and the old-timey Rapunzel dress (I know it was one of the early concept dresses. Personally I like it better).
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White-Rain-Angel Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2013  Student
:love: thankyou, so do I, but I think the one they picked was a good choice for the movie :shrug: it fits in better with the overall color scheme and mood.
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iesnoth Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
true.
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